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Technical stuff => Engine => Topic started by: SPIT TC on November 28, 2020, 08:14:59 PM

Title: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on November 28, 2020, 08:14:59 PM: Hi ,
This started in ‘ New Members ‘ but I guess this is where it should continue .
Triumph Spitfire , F/L 2.0 injection .

I just received this well priced Beta head from a very helpful EBay gentleman , partly for the top water pipe which might be useful on my Delta reverse port head to connect the rear outlet forwards towards the radiator .

https://flic.kr/p/2kboi5V

Also I may possibly have found a standard sized crank for the 130tc engine I wish to sell .

I could also be closer to obtaining some Delta Carrillo rods . I think Eric kindly suggested these should be compatible with a 124/131/Beta type 2.0 crank ?

Matt Se.London 07733137231

Pics of Spitfire , parts and associated stuff at link below .

https://flic.kr/ps/3TSFa3
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on December 01, 2020, 02:30:49 PM: Good afternoon,
I spoke with Lain Swan at SMD this morning regarding starting the build .
Lain once worked for Guy and remained a friend . If I heard right ( correct me if I am wrong , I imagine some on here will know ) he said that Guy’s funeral will be this Monday .
He will be attending . RIP Guy .

Lain also says that SMD are currently fairly booked up , which is good to hear in these times , so a start date might not be until towards February .
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on December 02, 2020, 09:32:03 PM: I was not sure about going the reverse port route but it might actually give me some advantage .
I have moved the engine back 4” compared to the Triumph position ( and 4” lower as it happens from PO’s ownership ) . This sits the F/L Tc engine slightly into the bulkhead . The worry then is , will either the carbs/injectors now on the drivers side or the header now on the passenger side , clear the bulkhead ?

Hopefully , the Webcon manifold , angled normally to move the carbs/injectors rear wards , out of the way of the drivers side front end of the block mounted distributor , will , now on the opposite side of the block move the injectors forwards from the bulkhead . Likewise the Allison’s header which on a regular TC head has the no 1 primary heading rewards from the front of the head will on a reverse port head now have the no 4 primary , heading forwards away from the bulkhead .
Hope that makes sense ?
This is just theory until I take the relevant parts into the garage so keeping my fingers crossed . Let me know if I am missing something please . Thanks
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on February 06, 2021, 06:47:56 PM: Finally have some rods for this build .
Been busy with a couple of possible patent ideas of late but hopefully the block build can start soon .
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 06, 2021, 04:37:01 PM: Good afternoon ,
Now no one can object to this post as it is totally Beta related .
I placed a bid on a barn find ( emphasis on ‘ barn ‘ ) Beta engine and box fairly local to me . I had not expected to win but Ebay is very unpredictable !
The owner is in Sittingbourne so I shall hire a van for the day to pick it up . One bonus is that SMD whom I am looking to use for my build is also in Sittingbourne so it will give me the opportunity to hopefully pop in and see them .
I am hoping it might be 2.0 and if so just may offer up a standard crank , hopeful thinking perhaps !
I will certainly be looking to sell off the box at a low price and also the cam belt cover and the water pipe to start with .
I shall list these once I have retrieved it all next week .
Where I am going to put it I have no idea ATM ! :(
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 06, 2021, 04:42:31 PM: Just waiting for these tri-metal Glyco mains and big end bearings to turn up from France .
Hoping they are genuine .
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: Nigel on March 06, 2021, 05:00:37 PM: Hi
I used Glyco bearings on my 2000 hpe
Standard is numbered 01-4175/4

Got them from Car Parts in Motion for £35.50

They've done few miles so far but seem ok.

BTW I'm in ME10 and will be visiting SMD soon.

Regards
Nigel
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 06, 2021, 05:38:31 PM: Hi Nigel , if yours were tri-metal you paid a lot less than I did .
Are you looking for Lain to do some work for you ?
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: mangocrazy on March 06, 2021, 05:40:51 PM: That gearbox looks remarkably clean, and so (apart from some rust) does the engine. Interested to know what you've actually got there...
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 06, 2021, 05:45:37 PM: Ditto .
The gamble of EBay . :D
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 06, 2021, 09:00:52 PM: Ok , well , just been informed it is a 1.6 so crank no good to me . :'(
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 06, 2021, 10:19:52 PM: Am I right in thinking all Beta 1600s were 1585 84 x 71.5 ?
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: Nigel on March 07, 2021, 10:19:05 AM: There is also a 1592cc in a Beta. I think it's an earlier version.

I don't know which type bearings I have, but for normal road use
I don't think it matters very much.

N.
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 07, 2021, 04:24:12 PM: Hi Nigel ,
1592 Beta was not shown in GC book . I already have a complete 1592 sitting in the garage so would rather a 1585 . I did see however that there was a big valve 138 AR000 version also ?
You did not say your reason for your visit to SMD ?
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 10, 2021, 11:12:08 AM: Turns out Lain is working in Essex this week so will not be getting to see him .
Also the guy running the company I had arranged to hire the van from seems to have gone AWOL so not convinced that is going to go smoothly . :D
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: betabuoy on March 10, 2021, 12:05:29 PM: Quote from: SPIT TC on March 06, 2021, 09:00:52 PM
Ok , well , just been informed it is a 1.6 so crank no good to me . :'(

Obviously you'd prefer an untouched crank but supply is running out. I have a reground 2.0 litre crank that is available if you're interested.

Chris
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 10, 2021, 04:24:57 PM: Thank you Chris for the offer .
The 130tc engine I have for sale is completely rebuilt , rebored , new pistons , new oil pump , new water pump , new belt , new valve guides but the rebuild included a regrind with new shells . Many people agree with the late GC that the 2.0 crank should never ideally be reground , removing the hardened surface , so I am hoping to locate a good standard size 2.0 crank . I have a brand new short block I could use but it seems a waste to use this if I can find a good used crank .
I am still picking up the barn find 1.6 Beta engine and box tomorrow so will post details as I come by them .
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 11, 2021, 05:39:32 PM: Hi ,
So I picked up the engine and box today .
Block 828BB 0A 0
Head 4371507
The owner John who does grass track racing in his spare time suggested it had come from a very low mileage Beta who’s body had gone rotten , so was just stuck in a barn/lock up for years . He was going to rebuild it but with liners to bring it down in CC to his series regs .
After a quick hoover and a spray up I was shocked that I managed to turn it over easily with a 5” adjustable spanner having stupidly put the 130tc engine in front of my tool cabinet !!
I have to say the muddy industrial site on the Thames marshes where he is based did look pretty intimidating but he was a gent .
As I can not use the crank it seems a shame this does not go back into a Beta after a good rebuild so it might soon be listed .
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: Kevo on March 23, 2021, 07:13:13 PM: Hi, there’s a guy in Scunthorpe that’s thinking of putting a Alpha 3.2 "Busso" engine in a Spitfire. Thought it may be of interest.
https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/triumph-performance-forum.26/spitfire-1500-busso-swap.1770398/ (https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/triumph-performance-forum.26/spitfire-1500-busso-swap.1770398/)
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 24, 2021, 07:59:31 PM: Thanks Kevo , I’ll take a look .
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 24, 2021, 08:54:02 PM: Looks like early days atm Kevo .
Surprised I missed seeing that myself .
Carter Shore by the way is the ‘Triumph experience’ equivalent of Eric Weston ,
respectfully meant Eric .
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: SPIT TC on March 24, 2021, 09:31:15 PM: I would love an Alfa V6 , but in one of these .
Title: Re: Triumph Spitfire - F/L 2.0 injection build .
Post by: WestonE on March 25, 2021, 07:57:12 AM: I am not sure anyone really wants to be my equivalent! A fantastic Stratos replica and I love the Eaton Supercharger addition.

Eric