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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2026, 12:24:42 PM »
Did  that and its soo much better now.   8)  Thank you for this post and help

New plugs coming today and I will check timing again.
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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2026, 11:10:04 PM »
Capriblu  OMG what a difference!

https://youtube.com/shorts/dfvTMwgMbIA?si=IC9VXpw3XlDOrWcJ

Even no choke semi cold silly low tickover if just ran.  I owe you a coffee.

It will be interesting what the dyno people do with it now
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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2026, 09:51:10 AM »
I think the dyne people will but the air filter lid on and send you on your way. That sounds really sweet!
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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2026, 10:27:29 AM »
 ;D

That is music to my ears Guy, because it = cheaper. :-)

They said that if everything else is good (after a check) they would run a full power test.  Maybe I should 'open a book' and take bets on my cars max power output?  Anything North of 100 will be a start ;-)
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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2026, 02:28:39 PM »
Latest jetting from Harding dyno work

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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2026, 04:51:19 PM »
If you are running the latest, I would check the plug colour after a 50 mile motorway drive, as it could be too lean??

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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2026, 06:45:03 PM »
Based on?  This was after a few runs on a dyno and monitored AFR.  I will of course being checking plugs
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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2026, 09:05:56 PM »
Always worried when main jet is lower than OEM. You need to run rich at high rpm as fuel cools the engine just saying...

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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2026, 11:04:26 PM »
Wow Mark - she's positively purring in that Youtube clip! I am preparing to have the same done to my Berlina which is running far too rich.
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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2026, 08:41:17 AM »
This was on the one but last runs with the their recommended jetting

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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2026, 03:35:22 PM »
AFR of 12 or below from 4k rpm? I'm not expert but that looks low. When I had mine set up on a rolling road they targeted 13 or a little above at full throttle.

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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2026, 03:41:06 PM »
I will take it on a run and see what the plugs look like.  Something I am wondering, the fuel inlet leak also equals air, could this be messing this up?  I will try to research, but thanks for the comments
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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2026, 05:10:51 PM »
So reminding myself what rich and lean are in the numbers.  Mike from Harding Auto's said he wanted to be on the rich side of safe.  Not that I have a clue.

https://youtu.be/3sh19RSa8vE?si=GqiHz7vTaJdPuwP5

10 being rich limit and 17 being lean limit.

I want a AFR gauge now :-)
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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2026, 08:17:18 PM »
I will take it on a run and see what the plugs look like.  Something I am wondering, the fuel inlet leak also equals air, could this be messing this up?  I will try to research, but thanks for the comments

Hi Mark

The fuel level with the float dictates the carb fuel supply, so a weeping inlet should have not bearing on it especially given that there is positive pressure of fuel, ie fuel will come out and I would think no air gets in.

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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2026, 08:54:28 AM »
Hi Mark 2 things to add to the pile. Betas pre IE VX ran the fuel pipe over the exhaust pipe and did not use an insulator block between the carb and manifold. This leads to hot running/ hot starting issues particularly with modern fuels that evaporate far more easily. It is easy and sensible to put some heat shielding on the pipe crossing the exhaust just behind the subframe. You can get the insulator blocks on the the internet, but do check bonnet clearance.

I have tried tuning by plug colour AKA plug cut tuning with twin DCOE conversions and it is hopeless compared to a Dyno session. I also ran AFR gauges at various times and can view one on the Monte if I wish. More comfort blanket than useful. My Monte ECU does tune from AFR actively at lower load/ RPM as most modern cars do as well. Log files can show me AFR tracks over time. But I do not have the skill or the dyno to re-map.     

You can test for air leaks with the engine running by spraying WD40 at manifold joins. A change of engine note will tell you where the leak is. You might need the rolling road to have another look, but sort out the hot fuel thing before going back.   

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Re: Jetting on standard DATR/DAT type Carb
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2026, 10:26:23 AM »
I will check.  Thanks Eric.  I have no starting issues or obvious hot fuel running problems but will bear in mind. 

Hopefully sorted the cam oil leak and can start driving it.  Thank you all
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