SA Import Beta 2000 Coupe

[Nigel]

Mark,
On the fuel filling, I had a chat with Andrew (Sandro), he mentioned the same.

I always have to fill with the nozzle pointing up, otherwise it cuts off, despite my
breather being ok. I suspect other shape Beta's may suffer the same.

Good to see you Saturday.

Nigel

[Ferrit]

Ha, really?  I wont rush changing it then :-) and I will try up instead

Saturday was brilliant.  Great to see you and the gang.  My son Tom had a wail of a time getting rides in anything that looked fast.  His last ride.

PS - tonight I tested removing the old stone chip and tried my smooth stone chip.  I put it on thick so will be interested how it dries.  I might try one of the sections next.

[Ferrit]

so at the connector (no load/motor disconnected)

Grey - Fast - 11.2
Blue/White - slow - 11.2
Blue  - Int - 10.2
Blue/Black - Park? - off 11.2/int 11.3~10.4

With motor connected and running free (no wipers)

Grey - Fast - 8.9
Blue/White - slow - 9.5
Blue  - Int - 8.6
Blue/Black - Park? - off 11.2/int 11.3~9.5

I guess nothing to loose but strip the motor contacts area?

Mark

These voltages are indicative of a drop somewhere in the loom, which is what I had.
See if you can trace the wiring backwards from the column through the intermittent relay
through to the wiper motor. Somewhere there will be your fault.

N.

Out in a little bit of rain and the wipers seem worse than they were a year ago.  I need to sort this out.  Obv a relay fitted, on fast or slow (which one?), and trace back and run a new mini loom for the time being between the wiper connection in the scuttle back toward the switch?

Any advice on a quick and easiest fix for this?

[JASPER_40]

Just out of curiosity....

What would happen if you just disconnected the intermittent connections at the wiper motor. Would the normal and fast still work and if so would they run at a better speed ?

Just trying to establish if it is the intermittent module causing the whole slow wiper issue ?

No idea if this is even a reasonable suggestion ? (I have had 2 glasses of red with lunch  )

Steve

[Nigel]

I tried a 'quick' fix by wiring in a relay on the 1st speed.
That didn't work as the 1st speed is wired through the intermittent
relay, somehow affecting it.
I did fit a relay to the 2nd speed, which sped them up
considerably,  proving that the issue was in the wiring.

With new wiring I'm using both the original intermittent
relay and the flasher unit.

N.

[Ferrit]

I will go and re-acquaint myself with what you did Nigel

[WestonE]

I think you were looking for an OE Horn assembly with the air horn compressor and trumpets? I have these surplus to my needs and can bring it along to Beta Meeta for £30 if that helps you before I list it on eBay. NB I used twin electric horns because I had no space left after adding another fusebox. 

[Ferrit]

Hi Eric, I have normal sort of period horns.  I am looking for the mini ones I think they are made by Urus and are sold as motorcycle air horns

[WestonE]

I did not know they made a mini version of the Horns. I have what you have now sadly.

[Ferrit]

Oh brilliant!

https://youtu.be/uDRrtT5uSls?is=R5-A_sjxtpfbgT_h

Leaking outlet again.  On further research it seems JB Weld doesnt like ethanol and will break down with time.  I will find something else to repair it for the weekend and decide what I do with it after the Betameeta

1. I could get it repaired by Classic Carbs, bet that will cost £150'ish
2. buy a new single carb - there is a new in box one for sale still - £600 offers
3. buy a pair of used dcoe's and a Guy Croft manifold advertised on FB

It was only ever a temp repair I guess.  Now time to do it properly

Fitted a different speedo to the binicle so will fit that and see if that solves the wobbly speedo, if not it will be a new cable replacement for the new cable I fitted a year ago

[HFStuart]

Is there enough meat on the carb to thread it and screw a horsetail in ?  You can get ones 6mm bore with a 1/8 BSPT thread ( about 9.5mm thread diam) or you can get someone with a lathe to put a suitably sized hole down an M8 or M6 bolt which you could also screw in and seal.

[Ferrit]

Plenty of people online doing it to the main inlet but to do both I am not so sure.  I will call Classic Carbs in the morning.  I am going to try JB Weld Tank Repair tonight.  JB Weld lasted a few months before, so a few weeks would be handy.

[Ferrit]

Temp carb fix in place and hopefully it lasts the weekend.  I will either fix this properly as Stuart describes or replace the carb/top.

Speedo fix seems to have done the trick.

[Ferrit]

What a weekend of Beta and non-Beta chores

Last week pulled the top of the carb off and removed the JB Tank Weld (Peter, it seemed absolutely fuel tight) from around the fuel inlet/return pipes.  Pulled the inlet and returns out, that took a while.  Went to Wecon on Friday, who are just up the road, and have a bunch of fuel unions to try out.  Apparently they use a little 0.7 jet off of something or other and pop it in the return union, restriction sorted. I ordered a M8 and M10 x1.0 taps and drills, and ordered a Bosch Pillar Drill.  About time I bought one.  This should be here Tuesday.  Apparently Loctite 542 is the one to use on the threads.  Here goes nothing...

So my rear tail pipe hanger is a bit of a mess. I have no rear silencer just a tailpipe.  The system is in SS I think but its not very nice.  It has a ugly front silencer running underside centre of the car, and an equally ugly transverse silencer in the normal place, to a tailpipe.  At speed it sounds okay.  At some point I will replace it but no rush.  What is a rush is the rear pipe hanger. 

I have the original fixing point on the body and an original old rubber hanger bent through 90d, but it was failing.  I used a metal tie to help it not fail at the track day and Betameeta.

I am thinking I will make a new short right angle piece, I will rubber mount that to the original mounting, and use the new original rubber hanger down to the SS 2" pipe clamp with a right angle support that I have ordered.  I think I can make this work.

I also replaced the large tank vent pipe that was crushed - its between the filler and the top of the tank.  Worth a try to see if it helps filling up, it will not make it worse thats for sure.

I started working on options for mounting 3x 52 mm gauges in the dash.  I gave up on the mount from eBay that has the gauges set and angles to face the driver.  I couldnt make that look nice.  I will try a flat plate mounted in the stereo slot.  I have a 50mm step-drill ready for another job for my pillar drill

Tidied my little workshop, finished spraying a old Record 84 vice I got off of FB and cleaned up ready for the carb work

[Ferrit]

Re: New Pillar Drill is a Bosch PBD 40 arrived and set up in the dinning room while the boss was away (I am super clean so she will never know), this way I could do this task in between work calls.  Uni for my team is quite quiet as its the start of the new year. 

Drill so far seems pretty cool, I have always wanted a nice big one off of FB Marketplace but I just dont have the space.  So I bought this.  It seems pretty cool so far, lots of features and not too big for my cramped workshop bench.  Already used it for a few tasks inc the fuel union replacements - outlined in this post

https://lanciabeta.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=782.20

Next is the exhaust hanger idea.  A eBay 2" exhaust bracket and 'hanger'.  I cut this down and cut a new thread.  I am then going to use a new rubber and make a new right-angle bracket and make a smaller version of the OEM bracket at the top.

Thanks to Dek's I have the little airhorn I wanted.  Cleaned it and repainted with some new fixings ready to go in.  Man its loud!  Thanks Deks. :-) 

PS finished my vice

Mark

[Ferrit]

so far no leaks.  Run it up for a while and blasted it about local streets, tomorrow off to Brooklands Motorsport event which is 45 mins there and back.  One air filer stud pulled out, geeze....

Horns fitted on the original brackets, and exhaust tail pipe mount fitted.  Its a million times better and really less bangs and crashes from the inside.  The car feels so much better.

Catch can next.  At Betameeta Eric gave me a few tips.  The current one was starting to spit out all sorts so opened it up and .... and is this normal for 1200 miles?

[WestonE]

It is normal for the catch can to fill with oily water. How much depends on the number of cold starts because you are seeing condensation collecting. Normally you want a 1 Liter capacity because it does not fill too quickly and passes the requirements for most track days. Pipe unions need to be at least the size of your oil separator outlet. Note VX Breathers have bigger outlets so I use these. Rubber pipe must be oil/petrol resistant.

If you go too small or have restrictions/ folds in the pipes you risk blowing your oil seals and assorted old gaskets even with good rings. Well worn engines will pop the Dipstick up in protest. Fords use multiple smaller pipes so "universal" items often have pipes too small for us. I had mine custom made. It is somewhere in my build pictures.     

[Ferrit]

I was reading your thread in your Coupe build on the subject Eric.  Current hose is just shy of 20mm.  Now looking for a 1ltr catch tank with 20mm in and out

[Ferrit]

Odd one.  On the way back from Brooklands Motorsport Day yesterday, in semi-slow moving traffic, I seemed to pick up a fuel or something else issue.  It was sort of mid-range and had a flame out at one point.

Today, plugs out and they were all fine.  Popped in some that I ultrasonic cleaned after 150 miles use.  Thought I would do compression test whilst I was there 180/175/175/180.  Tested fuel pressure to 2psi, removed all the jets and blasted them through.  I will test it later in the week.

I did notice the glass in the Malpassi FK was near the bottom.  Tonight setting it to 3psi its full.  I will adj to 3/4 full, back near 2.5.  Wonder what the issue is?  Hopefully I get it sorted as I have a thing to go to at Goodwood at the weekend. 

"Greenpower, a charity that encourages young people to pursue STEM subjects and, ultimately, careers in engineering, often within the automotive sector.

On 18 October, Greenpower is holding its International Final at Goodwood, with schools attending from across the UK and Europe. As part of the event, Greenpower would like to introduce the young competitors to a selection of classic and interesting cars, and Harry has been asked to organise a gathering of vehicles for the day."  Hope I fix it and its not raining

[Neil-yaj396]

This is the world of carburretor Betas; random fuelling issues usually caused by heat or some mircoscopic crud passing through the system. They were on the edge of performance when they were new and never designed for ethanol fuels. I couldn't count the times I've had a random jolt on a hot day....