Heritage certification

[Radman]

Just watched a video on YT discussing heritage certification and a whole lot of new paperwork required for classics over 40 years old and which will apparently be required to maintain tax and MOT exempt status.
A Google search turned up stellantisheritage.com as the portal through which these certificates could be obtained for classic Lancias, at the cost of 100 Euros no less but a message states that the service is temporarily suspended.
This is the first I have heard about the issue.  Has anyone done this successfully and will there be a problem if the car is not registered under this scheme?

[Neil-yaj396]

As you have spotted Stellantis have suspended the former Fiat Storico certification service, but this has no impact on UK registered cars as DVLA often refused to accept the Fiat certificates anyway.

I'm the DVLA Liaison for LMC and am not aware of any changes beyond the new and actually less rigorous rules for modified cars over 40 years old.

Once your car is registered as 'Historic' no further action is required as far as I'm aware? LMC can provide the necessary certificates to obtain Historic registration if the vehicle was registered some time after manufacture, otherwise you just apply with you V5 the April after the 40th anniversary of registration.

Perhaps you could post a link to the video?

[rossocorsa]

I think you will find that in many cases there is almost no information held for Betas by Fiat, records allegedly lost in floods or some other legend. Essentially you are lucky if they happen to have anything anyway. That's my understanding anyway, who has actual experience of this?

[Ferrit]

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[Ics19]

Here's one for a Scorpion, technically it is a Beta   As you can see, nothing is included that you shouldn't already know...

https://xwebforums.com/forum/index.php?threads/certificate-of-authenticity-from-fiat.42163/page-2#post-397134

If you read the whole thread, the certificate did seem problematic to obtain and some people didn't get that far 

[rossocorsa]

Here's one for a Scorpion, technically it is a Beta   As you can see, nothing is included that you shouldn't already know...

https://xwebforums.com/forum/index.php?threads/certificate-of-authenticity-from-fiat.42163/page-2#post-397134

If you read the whole thread, the certificate did seem problematic to obtain and some people didn't get that far 

The fact that it was only a Beta in name as a badge of convenience probably works in its favour due to full manufacture at pininfarina, I can recall that for some Betas fiat appear to have no information at all. The production figures that the forum has only go back to 1978, month of production only. Fiat probably have more information for some cars though but Italians never seem to be the best record keepers. It's concerning that Stellantis has allegedly stopped this service, seems to be a bad omen for the future.

[Radman]

As you have spotted Stellantis have suspended the former Fiat Storico certification service, but this has no impact on UK registered cars as DVLA often refused to accept the Fiat certificates anyway.

I'm the DVLA Liaison for LMC and am not aware of any changes beyond the new and actually less rigorous rules for modified cars over 40 years old.

Once your car is registered as 'Historic' no further action is required as far as I'm aware? LMC can provide the necessary certificates to obtain Historic registration if the vehicle was registered some time after manufacture, otherwise you just apply with you V5 the April after the 40th anniversary of registration.

Perhaps you could post a link to the video?

Here is the YT video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXQ1LZ89yqk&list=PL2DRRDWf-gr7mq0vZKLNzlZgsP4FhLeVI&index=34
(Apologies for not seeing how to get a working direct link in this Forum)

I have a 1972 Fulvia Zagato which has just been restored although with some fettling needed before it is useable on the road and a 1981 Beta Coupe needing some work, currently sorned.  Both should be road tax free but neither have any official historic designation with DVLA, yet not sure how to go about getting it.

[lancialulu]

As you have spotted Stellantis have suspended the former Fiat Storico certification service, but this has no impact on UK registered cars as DVLA often refused to accept the Fiat certificates anyway.

I'm the DVLA Liaison for LMC and am not aware of any changes beyond the new and actually less rigorous rules for modified cars over 40 years old.

Once your car is registered as 'Historic' no further action is required as far as I'm aware? LMC can provide the necessary certificates to obtain Historic registration if the vehicle was registered some time after manufacture, otherwise you just apply with you V5 the April after the 40th anniversary of registration.

Perhaps you could post a link to the video?

Here is the YT video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXQ1LZ89yqk&list=PL2DRRDWf-gr7mq0vZKLNzlZgsP4FhLeVI&index=34
(Apologies for not seeing how to get a working direct link in this Forum)

I have a 1972 Fulvia Zagato which has just been restored although with some fettling needed before it is useable on the road and a 1981 Beta Coupe needing some work, currently sorned.  Both should be road tax free but neither have any official historic designation with DVLA, yet not sure how to go about getting it.

If your car registration document shows first registration before 1984 then it is a simple matter of send ing it in to DVLA with a correction requesting historic tax status. If I am wrong then please others jump in

[Ics19]

I did look at that same YT vid when you first posted - it had quite a few negative comments against it at the time as being misleading - these have now been deleted and only ones against the apparent changes remain, go figure 

For historic registering, I'd just go to your local main Post Office (if you have one!) and take along the docs as described on the gov site - you'll need to print off the linked V112 form with type R exemption filled in, assuming there's no major mods:

https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles/apply-for-vehicle-tax-exemption

[SanRemo78]

If your car registration document shows first registration before 1984 then it is a simple matter of send ing it in to DVLA with a correction requesting historic tax status. If I am wrong then please others jump in
[/quote]

I tried this with the current Beta project Tim and the document was with DVLA for weeks! Started to panic but it came back with a covering letter to say take it to the Post Office when you tax it and they will deal with the change to Historic Status for you and give you a nil rate receipt for the tax disc. Seems daft to me but that may be because the car hasn't had an MOT in donkeys years!

Guy

[lancialulu]

To find a post office that does this...Last time I tried I am sure the woman behind the counter said her system could only allow a change of the tax status to nil rated disabled.....

[Radman]

Thanks for the responses.
I'll try taking the Fulvia registration document to my local post office and see what happens.
I'll post here in a few days with the result.

[rossocorsa]

To find a post office that does this...Last time I tried I am sure the woman behind the counter said her system could only allow a change of the tax status to nil rated disabled.....

I think you just have to press the point to them and they'll find that it works! That what I heard anyway.

[Neil-yaj396]

I've watched the video and don't recognize any of what is said from recent DVLA publicity, if anything I've been told they are relaxing the rules around 'Restomod' cars. There is certainly currently no such thing as a 'DVLA Heritage Certificate'.

Regarding applying for Historic tax classification this best done on date of registration with your V5 at a main Post Office (not a sub Post Office). I did this back in 2020 for my car and you do have to find a counter assistant who is familiar with the DVLA IT system.

If applying on date of manufacture with a dating certificate this is best done by post direct to the DVLA, although I know of at least one LMC member who managed to do this at a Post Office too.