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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2026, 11:02:56 PM »
Nothing that I can make out

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2026, 08:51:34 AM »
Remove both wires and tape the ends. Run a new pair of wires direct to the battery with a switch in the positive cable. Turn on the pump, fire the engine and see if it keeps running? If it does then you have a wiring problem.
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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2026, 10:42:11 AM »
Thanks I’ll try that. I did get it to run for about 15 minutes continually.
I reversed polarity on the pump just to make sure that the wires weren’t crossed. Car didn’t start that way. Wondering if it pushed something back into the tank that clogged the tank.
 After connecting it the original way the car ran but I had to unscrew the Idle mixture screw all the way out. I tried it again a few hours later and it did run again but not for long. I find that idle screw doesn’t respond well to any adjustments.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2026, 11:50:20 AM »
If it's run for 15 minutes after reversing the polarity on the pump and then putting it back to original the wiring is fine and you can ignore my suggestion.

However, if it didn't run well before you reversed the polarity but did when reconnected but then got worse I would suggest that the pickup pipe in the fuel tank is clogged up and needs the tank removing, thoroughly cleaning out and any inline filters replacing.
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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2026, 12:01:53 PM »
Is it possible to get to that pipe once removing the sender unit? I made sure that all the tubes were clear before installing the tank but never knew that there was a pick up pipe in the tank itself.Is there a photo or drawings of that area? Thanks for all the help.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2026, 09:37:31 PM »
So I’m trying to see if there’s a blockage in the return line. I can’t seem to get the return line off
In the engine Bay Area. So I removed the rubber return line from the hard line and pinched off the line that goes to the tank. Once undoing there was a few drops from the steel line but the rubber hose to the tank was full. If I can remove the line from the engine Bay Area I could blow some air to see if it’s blocked. Can I blow it in the opposite direction going to the fuel injectors

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2026, 09:58:06 PM »
Joe,
From what you've told us already, that it runs for a short time, I think a
blockage in lines forward of the pump is less likely.

The pickup pipe in the tank sits just above the bottom of the swirl pot, which is the
(invisible) bowl that sits , fixed, below the sender unit area. Neither the pickup pipe or the
swirl pot are removable. As said previously, the fuel flows into the swirl pot through the
mesh surrounding it, it's then available to be sucked up. If not enough fuel flows into the swirl pot,
the engine will die when the pot is empty. Hence my thinking that this may be your issue.
This thinking was highlighted more when you said you'd 'sealed' the inside of the tank. The
sealant would have quite likely affected the mesh, depending perhaps on how and what was used
as a sealant.

I hope the above more clearly explains my thinking.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2026, 10:09:49 PM »
Found this image on the internet.
Which one is the mesh?

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2026, 11:00:06 PM »
It's below this, and not visible.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2026, 12:38:58 AM »
I can’t find the post about making holes with a right angle punch

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2026, 06:52:32 AM »
Joe,
I have a borescope camera which never worked very well but
maybe it will perform for this. And I have my old tank in which
I perforated the mesh before condemning it for rust issues.

Later today I will attempt to take a photo of the mesh.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2026, 11:46:03 AM »
Thanks Nigel really appreciate everyone’s help on this forum.
I will try to run the car from a gas can today and see how it runs.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2026, 04:20:40 PM »
Ran it off a separate gas canister and seems to be working

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2026, 05:38:50 PM »
That's good Joe.

The attached shows the swirl pot and it's components.
1 the pot
2 the pick-up pipe
3 the pick-up strainer, incl the mesh (not seen below the rim)
4 the return line from the engine end.

Your task now is to take an old long screwdriver with a 6mm shaft, or similar.
Sharpen the end to a point, then bend it 90° an inch from the point. Put the point below the visible rim and
strike with a hammer from outside the tank, holding the top end of the driver. Do this several times around the areas you can reach.
Three or four holes will be sufficient.

My borescope camera is rubbish (it was very cheap) and struggles to focus.
I'm not sure how small the holes in the mesh actually are. They appear larger
than I was expecting. But never trust an image!

Hope this helps a bit. More answers are available.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2026, 08:16:03 PM »
So below the rim of part#3 correct. So I’m trying to pierce the mesh in your photos which I assume is a perforated tube

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2026, 09:19:07 PM »
A circular device with mesh all around.
You can only really reach one side to pierce, but that'll be enough
to get sufficient fuel to reach the pick-up tube in the centre.

I'm no artist as you can tell, but it conveys the message I hope.
The top and bottom of this device are solid, with the tube in the top.
There's probably some small vertical supports in there as well.

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The past:
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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2026, 09:24:05 PM »
Super helpful Nigel. I’ll try that tomorrow.
Just a question I assume the pump is a gravity fed pump because I’m having trouble getting the fuel up to the pump from the gas canister and my hose is too short.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2026, 09:55:34 PM »
I'm not sure about the pump but
I'd try putting the fuel can on a stool, preferably at or higher
than the tank, and use a longer hose.

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2026, 04:07:00 PM »
 I managed to make a few holes into the mesh and will try if it works.
Thanks

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Re: Engine turns off
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2026, 08:40:15 PM »
Good news seems to be working now.
Let's see if it continues. Thanks Nigel